the people on the ground in libya and they decided to write it out of virginia and on top of that, we have the november 28th, -- i have tape of jay carney saying, no, no, the only change we made was from the consulate to diplomatic facility because that was the only thing we had to do. now we know with the speaking e-mail -- hang on, jay the white house was involved in the talking points. >> let me say something else here. there is no explanation legitimate for this. jay carney is lying, not telling the truth when he says this e-mail was not about benghazi because this e-mail became public only because our friends at judicial watch filed a lawsuit asking for documents related the benghazi. a court ordered those to be released and the state department produced this e-mail, which is a response to the benghazi attack. so administration can try to change what it means, but the fact is the words speak for themself. that's number one. >> all right. >> number two, lanny, they handled this wrong from the beginning. certainly we knew three days later, obviously, immediately this had nothing to